Over the last two days, I’ve ben listening to a 4 1/2 hour long conversation with Bjørn Lomborg, Andrew Revkin and Lex Fridman on The Lex Fridman Podcast.

It was an incredible conversation.

The two guests on the show both have different perspectives about climate change and the intensity of the threat. They brought forward different points about what we should be doing and what we shouldn’t be doing.

Ultimately they both agreed that …

• Climate change is real and humans are causing it.

• We aren’t doing ourselves any favors by creating huge population centers in vulnerable areas.

• There are more practical steps we can take than simply “reducing carbon.”

• There are social science aspects involved that we don’t pay attention to.

Hi highly recommend you listen.

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Listen on Spotify below.

You can watch the full conversation on YouTube here.